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49. Shawn Ray Simple solution, bring back the Diuretic Testing and this time ENFORCE it unlike the 2001 Mr. O where Cutler tested positive and everyone ran for the hills and through the testing out the window!

Get the Testing Back and deter some Athletes from harming themslves this way, atleast then if and when something happens, the responsibility will be on the Athlete not the Federation.

As for not letting people in: I spoke with 2 NYPD Guys I had signed pictures for and they were turned away simply because they had no tickets due to the show being Sold Out! Steve had his people at the door as he had a show to run and they were given specific instructions, "No Ticket, no Entry."

I respect that and would have done the same.

It is business and I have Paid for many BBing tickets to support the sport and the Promoter with nothing expected in return except a good seat!

I buy tickets every year to the Mr. O even though I have competed in it 13 years!
True, a simple phone call from Milos to Steve could have handled this or Manion could have spoken to Milos about their association follwing the Olympia, where I called him and informed his of which hospital Mustafa was being taken to and he beat me there with Vince Scalici Editor of M&F and Keving Levrone! Shocked

That being said, it seems there was a communtication problem here and we are making a Mountain out of a Mole Hill. Personally, if I were running a federation with an Athlete with Mustafa's track record, I would have had him provide Medical Clearance or sign a disclaimer to compete, End Story.

Now, dialogue with the federation is what maybe needed to change things but lack of communication as Steve ran his first Pro show ever, is no reason to beat a dead horse.

Can someone please pick up a phone or schedule a meeting with some of the Athletes who care and get this done BEFORE the MR. O so Everyone can benefit from the results. Cool

Out,
Shawn

50. Milos Sarcev In response to Steve's post:

Steve, when someone calls me a liar - I have NO PROBLEM... as long as they can back up their claims. So, are you ready to defend yours?

You said:" Much of what Milos has said about the events of the last few contests involving Mustafa is INCORRECT. Milos stated that NO IFBB official went to the hospital in Las Vegas; however, this is not true. Both Jim Manion and Vince Scalese went to the hospital and did not leave until Mustafa was out of danger."

REALLY?

I went straight to Mustafa's room after I received a phone call from Shawn Ray - and DID NOT LEAVE MUSTAFA until I personally walked him back in his room at the Mandalay Bay. I went from his room to the front seat of the Ambulance and from the ambulance straight to Emergency Room of the hospital - and stayed by his bed until 7 AM when he was released. I called the cab and made sure that he made back to his room.

So, if I didn't leave Mustafa for a second how could I miss Jim Manion or Vince Scalisi? Shawn Ray was there with his wife and pastor of his church; Kris Dim was there as well as Kevin Levrone. They stayed for a while and during their stay I did talk on the phone with Vince Scalesi several times. Vince was very concerned and he did call periodically. Mustafa's potassium levels were very high - and it took several hours to bring them back. He released himself from the hospital (without doctor's recommendation) just so he could try to make the flight back home.

If the IFBB officials were so concerned about his health - did they find out what happened to him that night, next morning and a day after? Who did they call and what did they find out? Did they get precise information of his health status? Did they arrange extra day in Mandalay Bay and did they change his plane ticket?
NO!

Poor guy missed his flight, went back to hotel were he was charged over $600.00 for extra day and had to pay a fee to change the flight as well.

I see that Shawn just posted that indeed - Jim and Vince came to the hospital and I was not aware of that. However, they CERTAINLY didn't stay until he was out of danger. I was by Mustafa the whole time (together with his friend and NPC competitor Faramaz) and did not see neither Jim or Vince. I went out for a few minutes to inform the others (Shawn, Kris, Kevin...) and I did not see any IFBB officials. I would assume that IF THEY DID COME TO SEE HIM - they would come to the room and talk to the doctors...

Next - you said:" In Amsterdam, I stayed at the hospital until Mustafa again, was out of danger, and in fact left in just enough time to catch the plane to London that morning. I was up all night."

REALLY?

You were there until 2AM - when Mustafa was still in EXTREME danger - as his potassium levels were not established because Dutch hospital's machine could only measure Potassium levels less than 10 mEq/L - and Mustafa's were well above that.

Doctors had to re-check it several times until finally about 5AM he was in range - and released him from the Emergency room and taken to the different room to stay there for the next 24 hours.

Promoter Lilly and myself stayed all night - and we made sure that he is taken to different room and proclaimed OUT OF DANGER. I can go in great details about the whole thing as I discussed everything with Dutch doctors - and believe me - you don't want to go in details. You stayed 30 minutes max...but I'll give you a credit for a whole hour.

This is what is important.

Now, on your other points: "You also managed to change your story, and claim that you were sent by FLEX magazine to photograph the event (which was not true)"

I was sent by FLEX magazine editor Peter Mc Gough - person that TRULLY CARES for the athletes. Real reason he paid for my plane ticket (If you want the proof - I can scan the ticket and reservation that his secretary Nune sent me last week) is TO HELP MUSTAFA.

He was concerned about this GREAT HUMAN BEING and unbelievable bodybuilder and he wanted to make sure NOTHING happens to him. NOW THAT IS SOMEONE THAT CARES FOR THE ATHLETES...I take my hat off to him - always.

I offered to Peter that I can photograph "behind the scenes" and even though he didn't give me real assignment he said that it would be interesting to document what competitors are going through in the last few days before the contest.

You said: "security stopped all non-authorized persons..." I was coming to athletes meeting and Joe Palumbo (security) stopped me saying that ONLY competitors are allowed. I had no problem with that. But, Flex and Dexter were coming in - and Joe let them in...but stopped me!? When I asked him why would he let some IFBB pros and not me - his response was:" Oh, I thought they were competing!?!"

YES, I was arguing the point...taking the time and attention of the workers...They were NOT busy at the time as NOBODY (but 31 competitors + Flex and Dexter) was allowed to come in. And speaking of no individuals were permitted to bring their own assistants backstage - can you tell me how did you always get around it following Dorian in so many Olympia's?

Remember 1996 when Shawn called you backstage and asked you IF no competitor has personal assistant why is Steve Weinberger here with Dorian? What did you do Steve? Always obeyed the rules?

BTW - Joe Palumbo was a class act, he felt bad and purchased prejudging ticket for me. He told me that he simply follow your orders.

And next time Steve, when you are on the cell phone telling someone:" F...Milos, I don't want him in my show - tell security to kick him out..." look around you and don't be so loud!

Point is: LET'S STOP TALKING ABOUT CONCERN FOR THE ATHLETES AND LET'S START SHOWING IT! In the mean time some RESPECT would also be very much appreciated...

Milos,
IFBB professional

51. (Quoting 48) Um, they DO need the dry look to be competitive. Ever notice how bodybuilding fans are constantly masturbating over "striated glutes" and ripped hamstrings? It's almost as if competitors are being judged entirely by their conditioning, rather than the quality of their physique.

52. Milos, in fairness to Joe Palumbo are you sure flex and dex did not covertly stealth into the backstage?

(Flex as you know schooled some ninja's who came for his car and its not that big of a stretch to see the Dexter was clearly a ninja turtle at some stage.)

But seriously, there is a lot of crossed wires here, a few assumptions made that shouldn't have and thats all this is.

Smoke the peacepipe of reconciliation.

53. As everybody else has said, if you "really" want to show concerns for the athlete's health, then do some testing (or if you want to save money, then have them show medical clearance). You sit there, reward the diuretic-dry bodies, and then tell the athletes they better not use diuretics. Something is seriously wrong here. Talk is cheap. If you care about the athletes, then do something about it. Blocking someone's advisor/helper from getting backstage is gonna help the athletes' health?Huh Are you IFBB people that naieve? I bet you're not. You're not naieve. You're just a bunch of liars.

54. (Quoting 49) Bump for the solution that will suck in the short-term (less conditioned athletes) but will probbaly save many lives in the long run.

55. Of course, we all know that Steve Weinberger won't reply, as he said in his only post on the board. Too bad, I'd like to see his ass get handed to him again by Milos. Smiley

56. i hate ppl that spew BS from their point of things, then refuse to speak any more.
It's like they want to live in a little fantasy land with no conflict or reality other than their own. They start an argument by stating their version of events, then won't reply when other versions of the event are brought to light.

Oh well. screw it. I'm off to bang my supermodel girlfriend then have lunch with trump and train calves with arnold and I won't be back to listen to anyone doubt my perception of reality...

57. Couple of questions/observations:

1) If you can't afford plane tickets, hotel, hospital stay after contest, etc., then how do you afford drugs to compete in the first place? It is sad that a grown man (or other grown men or women) would have their priorites so mixed up. Think about it. Doesn't that sound more like the behavior of a addict than a person supposedly involved in a "healthy" sport? At least a pro baseball player can say they juice for the money. Why do bodybuilders do it? For the ego. Great reason, huh?

2) If you compete for love of bodybuilding but can't afford to pay for hotel, plane tickets, hospital stay after....then don't be stupid and spend your money (money you can't afford to spend in the first place!!!) on drugs to compete. That is irresponsible and selfish behavior. If you love your wife and children.....be ashamed for your behavior. Are we to believe that the only way to participate in bodybuilidng and show your love for the activity is to compete? That is simply not true.

3) Does the IFBB put in it's pro requirements that an athlete must be or should be "dehydrated"? Does that word appear in the guidelines? If so, Mustafa (or any other) who gets dehydrated and has to go for a hopistal stay should sue the IFBB for putting him in danger. The athelete can claim stupidity in thinking that being dehydrated must not be dangerous, since the IFBB requires it. In the world of today there is always a way to pass the blame, and if he wins the case....he will make a ton of money to support his family. Much more than he would ever make on stage!!

4) Who paid for the hospital stays and doctors since Mustafa was a foreigner with no money?

5) How did Mustafa get the diuretics he took into this country? Did he sneak them in, or did he get them here? If he got them in the USA, then where did he get them from without a prescription from a doctor? Who does he know well enough to walk up to on the street and ask if they have any spare diuretics he can have? Milos, if you are around the man sure they are going to look at you as the source. You are familiar with the term "guilt by association" aren't you? Wink And how much money do you think it would cost Mustafa to defend himself in court if he was caught with diuretics or any other drug or medication not prescribed to him? Be a real friend and also warn him of that when you warn him of the health dangers.

6) Good for Manion telling Milos and Mustafa to watch out or get banned. Regardless of the motivation, maybe it made them think twice. Maybe it will make all think twice. Can't we all understand why the IFBB would do so? If Mustafa has a track record of hospital stays, and even Milos comes here and says he was taking diuretics.....then why would the IFBB not make a stand? It would be stupid not to do so. It is called liability, and they just took some heat off of themselves.

7) Milos, you are a smart guy. Don't you think there is something wrong here? You are coming as a friend of Mustafa and telling us all he was using diuretics the wrong way. Were any diuretics prescribed by a doctor for Mustafa? If no, then why would it be alright for him to take any diuretics at all? If I were you, instead of telling your friend the correct way to take drugs illegally....I'd be telling him not to take them at all. Again, how do you think his wife and children would feel if Mustafa took the advice of "Dr. Milos" and died? How could you live with yourself?

Cool Thing that really bothers me is if Milos is such good friends with Mustafa, then why not discourage him from competing until he knows how to do it safely? And if you knew Mustafa was ignorant on his diuretic use before, why not try and help him WAY BEFORE trying to get backstage during a show? Isn't it too late by then? I mean really, if he must be dehydrated for a show......aren't you too late to help DURING the show? Shouldn't you have been there maybe two days before the show to help him? Isn't that when the dehydration process begins?

9) Don't hate on Steve for making his money and keeping out freeloaders from his shows. If anyone thinks they deserve to get in free to a show, they should make arrangements ahead of time. It isn't like you found out the night before that Mustafa was entering the show. You knew it well in advance, so if the point was going to help him....where were you before being backstage? If Mustafa had a guest ticket like everyone else, then who did he give it to?

58. (Quoting 57) Your point is correct, but like anyone who has competed in this sport will tell you---an individual will not always follow the advice given. Quite a few competitors will alter the amounts prescribed in order to come in even drier. It is mostly an impulsive action in some competitors. A guy could look in the mirror, and feel that he isn't sharp enough & go that extra mile when it isn't warranted or safe. This is the obsession that can take place during the last few days of contest preparation.

59. Manny Ahsuckit, dude, you put forward some good questions. Don't know if anybody will respond directly, but just by asking the hard questions you've given this thread a "reality check."

60. (Quoting 57) Re-read Milos post about how he assisted Mustafa, and you'll realize that this question isn't applicable.

YIP
Zack

61. You ask some pretty stupid questions. First off, what has being a foreigner have to do with getting diuretics. They are prescription drugs so getting them is illegal either way and why would Milos know where he got them or even tell you if he did? Roll Eyes

What is the relevance of whether or not the diuretics were prescribed by a doctor or not?Huh Are you trying to suggest that Mustafa did something illegal? Of course he did, so what, but let's say they were prescribed by a doctor, Mustafa got in trouble FOR HAVING TO MUCH POTASSIUM IN HIS SYSTEM!!! Potassium is legal. Stop trying to put the blame on Milos. He saved Mustafa's life most likely more than once.

Of course there are no requirements to come in dehydrated but that's who wins the shows. That's who the judges pick and they are over seen by Manion Get it? Roll Eyes They know that these guys will risk there life for it, so if they are that concerned about it then why not reward the guys who aren't so depleted?

Lastly, Steve did not shell out a dime for the competitors. The was no host hotel and the athletes were given no money. Most of these guys were asked to compete by Steve directly. Kind of hard to say no to an IFBB official when they ask you to compete in their show. Wonder were most of these guys would placed in their next show if they had said no. Just a thought.

62. (Quoting 61) Good one. If they had said 'no', they wouldn't have placed at all. Wink

63. Milos Sarcev SHAWN: Simple solution, bring back the Diuretic Testing and this time ENFORCE it unlike the 2001 Mr. O where Cutler tested positive and everyone ran for the hills and through the testing out the window!

MILOS:

That solution failed last time - as you know it. Diuretic tests brought MUCH MORE DANGEROUS situations as your favorite bodybuilding personality introduced "modified mercurial based diuretic". Mercurial diuretics were pulled off the pharmacy shelfs due to EXTREME RENAL TOXICITY - and we know how many kidneys have failed so far.. plus PLASMA EXPANDERS... (but let's not talk about that one).

So, what would change now if the IFBB brings back the testing? Athletes would not dehydrate themselves for the shows? I don't think so! They would do it anyway but this time risk even more...

SHAWN:
Get the Testing Back and deter some Athletes from harming themselves this way, at least then if and when something happens, the responsibility will be on the Athlete not the Federation.

MILOS:

During our tested shows Shawn - did you NOT use diuretics...or you got information that it is certain Rx diuretic OK to use (not on the list) so you used it like everyone else did!? And you know that I know the answer... Problem is that particular diuretic (starts with D if you already forgot) is very strong (and DANGEROUS) loop diuretic... much stronger that ones you would use otherwise.
So, it is not even a question IF athletes would do it anyway - they certainly would!
You said: than if something happens responsability will be on the athlete not the federation!

SO YOUR POINT IS: save the federation from liability and who cares about athlete's health!

We suppose to do something that would benefit athletes - remember? As long as it is set in stone by judging criteria: that athlete must achieve dehydrated state when competing - athletes would have NO CHOICE IF THEY WANT TO SUCCEED!

64. Milos my friend, you missed the point.

Bring back the Testing to deter use of Diuretics and Enforce the Rule. Sure, it will bring out the Guru's of which people accuse even you of being because you help other athletes but systemmatically, they will eliminate All the Duiretics if the rule is Enforced!

No, in the past they did not do this but possibly in our future they may have no other choice. Save the Athletes from themselves simply means, some Athletes will go to the edge look over and keep edging towards it. Others like the "smart" ones or "lucky ones will not tempt fate by continuing to make the same mistakes simply because there are no rules to stop them.

We have Speed limits for a reason, we have other sports with testing for a reason. If nothing more than a deterant. Your supposing not to have testing at all simply because it didn't work in the past? Well I disagree, some people who were part of the problem are no longer with us and no longer part of the future. Why do you think Major League Baseball is taking the Drug Testing to the Extreme? TO try and restore Order.

We need to do the same and Testing is the only way to do so. If there was testing in place and the federation was aware of ALL the Duiretics to test for, Mustafa may have never wound up in the hospital in the first place let alone a second time. Now I see your point about nothing in the past being done and some of us getting around the Testing but now in light of Athletes dropping like Flies, I propose to bring the testing back and inform the federation of the potential dangers of the drugs we used and others use that can hurt or kill our athletes of tomorrow.

The saddest part of my Olympia Weekend was spending it in a hospital to end the weekend, which in my opinion as a 13 Time Olympian, could have been avoided. When they call me, I will tell them what I know about the dangerous drugs I am aware of in hopes of testing for them to save a life or two, will you?

Peace,
Shawn

65. (Quoting 64) Yes we do have speed limits for a reason, to collect revenue and by the way, THERE IS NO DISORDER IN BASEBALL. It's all a facade to take the publics mind off of other more important issues.

I'm all for diuretic testing IF IT WOULD HELP, but testing will only cause more problems. The IFBB knows that they are in a bind. What if they place the really dry guys lower to try and stop the abuse of diuretics? What if some of these guys are not using or abusing diuretics and are punished for looking dry? Look at skip Lacure, go ahead and laugh but he has come in to shows dry as a bone and even IF he did have some way of getting around the test, which I doubt I'm sure he isn't abusing the hell out of diuretics. The point is, there are other ways to come in dry. Maybe someone should be dispensing this info for free. maybe it will save a life.

Shawn, it doesn't surprise me that you will "tell then what you know". You've done it before and I'm sure you will do it again. The question is, will telling them what you know really be helping anyone? How much can you really know since you never really dabbled much in diuretic use anyway.

66. You ask some pretty stupid questions.

Smiley Stupid because you can't answer without showing how ridiculous this sport has become? And who is to blame? The judges and promoters for being greedy and looking for the freaks? Or the athletes willing to be those freaks for a trophy and chump change? Some don't even make that....so aren't these people the stupid ones?


Quote First off, what has being a foreigner have to do with getting diuretics. They are prescription drugs so getting them is illegal either way and why would Milos know where he got them or even tell you if he did?

Smiley Well, first off it is a bigger crime to bring illegal drugs into the USA than to actually get them here, correct? Now based on his on going legal issues and any bit of sense he must have, I would certainly not expect Milos to tell anyone if he gave diuretics to Mustafa. (My hat's off to Milos for even being around his friend with the illegals because if caught there it would surely make things harder on him....guilt by association again!!) As Mustafa's friend, I would certainly not expect him to blab to the world about Mustafa's uneducated drug use either. There is a huge difference in saying something to medical professionals in an attempt to help the man, and telling the world Mustafa was a foreigner using illegal drugs in the USA. Hello!!!! The way I look at it, if he is going to tell that much private information....tell it all. Hey government...this Mustafa character is coming to the USA solely to compete in a bodybuilding contest and use illegal drugs on our soil. He can't afford medical care when he almost dies, but hey let him come on over and enjoy!!! Doesn't that sound silly?

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What is the relevance of whether or not the diuretics were prescribed by a doctor or not?

Smiley Are you saying doctors will not give people diuretics for legit purposes? If prescribed by a doctor it would at least be a legal drug possession.

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Are you trying to suggest that Mustafa did something illegal? Of course he did, so what,

Smiley So what? So why should any of us listen to the sob stories of men and women who are drug addicts? If you can't afford to compete and live the lifestyle you choose, get another job!! Don't bad mouth the federation because you can't afford your own habit!! That is like a meth addict blaming the government for not paying enough on his welfare check!!

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but let's say they were prescribed by a doctor, Mustafa got in trouble FOR HAVING TO MUCH POTASSIUM IN HIS SYSTEM!!! Potassium is legal. Stop trying to put the blame on Milos. He saved Mustafa's life most likely more than once.

Smiley Tell me where I blamed Milos? I did not. If you read it that way, perhaps you think the diuretics came from Milos? That is on you. What I asked was very simple....if such a dear friend, why in God's name wait until bsack stage at a bodybuilding show to step in and help Mustafa? Why not help sooner? If Milos helped save his life two times prior......why in the hell not do something sooner???!!! Obviously Mustafa's health was not that much of a priority then, right? Otherwise, Mustafa would have been educated by Milos long before this show. Right or wrong? Or is it much more fun to be a hero when someone is already in deep trouble and may die? We don't see the hero in the background do we? But we see the hero in the ambulance riding along to save the day. What about all the days before that? Where was Mustafa's hero then....when he needed him? I didn't attack Milos or bad mouth him. I asked a question. Again, if you see that as bad mouthing Milos you must believe the drugs came from Milos.

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Of course there are no requirements to come in dehydrated but that's who wins the shows. That's who the judges pick and they are over seen by Manion Get it?

Smiley Sure I get it. We all do. Do you also get it that if a trophy and chump change are worth it to a man or woman to do illegal things and risk their lives.....that is their choice!!! Should we stop Nascar because the guys can wreck, or do we put tighter restrictions on them to protect them as best we can....and cross our fingers for the ones that still drive like bats out of hell?

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They know that these guys will risk there life for it, so if they are that concerned about it then why not reward the guys who aren't so depleted?

Smiley They are concerned about their money, but to say they are not concerned with the health of these people just because they pick the freaks is wrong. Freaks sell tickets and make the money. The big pay checks for these promoters and magazines do not come from the swimmers next door. I don't think any of these judges or promoters or anyone else wishes bad health on these men and women. I do think they want to make their money. If the athletes want to take the risks, then that is on them. And again I say this, when one of these athletes gets hurt or dies their family should sue the sh*t out of the IFBB for promoting drug use with their policies. Yes, the atheles are using illegal substances, but it is also illegal to profit from the use of illegal drugs or crime. Maybe if Milos wants to help save lives he should tell the DEA about how the IFBB promotes drug use and profits from it. Hold them accountable. Now, THAT would change the sport kids!!! Otherwise quit whinning about these bad choices, because all anyone is doing is passing the blame.

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Lastly, Steve did not shell out a dime for the competitors. The was no host hotel and the athletes were given no money. Most of these guys were asked to compete by Steve directly. Kind of hard to say no to an IFBB official when they ask you to compete in their show. Wonder were most of these guys would placed in their next show if they had said no. Just a thought.

Smiley I couldn't agree with you more. Poor form to say the least. But here is a thought after seeing pictures from the show and hearing what everyone had to say about how these guys looked: where would they have placed in their next show regardless?! As long as the top tier guys compete they will make the only money given out. So again, was it a real need to compete in this show in order to place in the money at top level shows? Or did some of these guys enter for the possibility of a pay day and high placing at this show? I dare say the ego factor had just as much to do with the men entering this show as the "oh God I won't win the Olympia if I don't do this show" factor.

Once more I will say this: I am not picking on anyone with the questions I asked. Some were far fetched but meant to make people think. I just think it is very sad that all of our priorities can become so twisted. And more sad that we can't take responsibility for our own actions and want to blame everything on others. Take control of your own egos and greed before pointing your fingers at the wrong doing of others. It takes a real man to take responsibility for his own actions.

67. Sorry guys. Didn't know how to post the answers to Disgusted's questions without reprinting them. I put the Smiley face at the start of my answers. Hope you can understand without too much confusion.

Again I want to make very clear I am not saying bad about Milos or anyone that would help a friend. It just seems more should have been done sooner so the idea of a ticket or free entry to help Mustafa would have not been the issue. I think there are much more important issues surrounding this story.

68. (Quoting 65) How do you know that? Milos just said Shawn used a diuretic not on the list.

69. (Quoting 67) Too long, but you are wrong on many points plus your making a big deal out of things that are a non issue.

70. Just saw where Shawn had posted. You see, that is what I mean. Stepping up to the plate and being willing to help instead of just saying, "Well it is the judges to blame for wanting me so dry...what wlse can I do???" There is a lot that can be done. First off it starts with ideas being put on the table instead of just finger pointing.

Yes, some of these ideas may seem far fetched or reaching......but at least they are ideas. We all know the old saying, "If you always do what you have always done, you always get what you have already got." You have to make changes to get changes. Positive or negative you have at least got to try.

If it takes someone that has "retired" to tell the dirty little secrets of the IFBB and it's athletes to save lives, so be it. At least Shawn is not pointing the fingers at one group or another and just blaming them. It is all of our faults from the magazine buyers on up. If freaks didn't make money for these people, the freaks wouldn't be in such high demand.

71. Disgusted. My bad. See if this is better for you:

Milos get over yourself and your pro status. You are a has been prima donna wanna be guru doctor. Pay Steve for a ticket like everyone else. If your buddy Mustafa wanted you there, you would have gotten his free ticket handed to you.

How was that? Shocked

72. (Quoting 71) Well, it would have been OK except for the fact that MILOS TRIED TO BUT A TICKET YOU DUMBASS AND THEY WERE SOLD OUT!!!!!. Other than that you would have been correct. Roll Eyes

73. Okay Disgusted then tell me when Milos tried to buy a ticket? When they wouldn't let him in free backstage? The rest of us knew this contest was at a smaller venue than the NOC had been. It was common knowledge that a sell out was expected. So, then who is the dumbass for not getting a ticket earlier if he had intended to buy one all along? Oh, yeah, I am the dumbass. And where was Mustafa's free guest ticket again? I missed that part? Roll Eyes

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